On raising kids

From around the time I was born, there were a large number of of child psychologists saying this and that about what is good for kids and the proper way to raise them. Books on child rearing, written by each successive muckety muck usually contradicted whatever the last expert wrote on the subject.
The late 60's engendered a whole bunch of new age, no boundaries, free expression crap. They purported that kids could do no wrong and everything they did was just exploration of the world and children should not be punished for supposed transgressions against our patriarchal society.
Bwahahahah!!!..... what a load of horse hemorrhoids.
My parents didn't know what they were doing because they both came from screwed up homes and emotionally bankrupt parents. My mom and dad bought the books at the check out lane at the grocery store to figure out why I was afraid of the dark and kept forgetting to flush the toilet. I guess they were at least trying to do things right.
Since I had some form of undiagnosed attention deficit I'm sure my bizarre reactions to people, pressure and day to day tasks confused and angered them. They tried everything to get me to snap out of the haze I was in. Luckily, I eventually grew out of it. The fact that they were mostly consistent in their behavior gave me peace of mind. I almost always knew what to expect from them.
Now that I have kids of my own, I can see a direct correlation between the way a child is raised and how they turn out. Children have a limited knowledge base and usually act on things based on selfishness, curiosity and a lack of experience.
When a kid does something good and acceptable, parents should give praise and show affection.
If the child does something dumb, dangerous or anti-social, they should be scolded, and given consequences based on the severity of the transgression.
For example, if your three year old bites a playmate, he should be scolded, put in the corner for a few minutes and be forced to apologize. This needs to be done each and every time until the child knows that the joys of sinking their teeth into human flesh is not tolerated and the consequences outweigh the fun.
It's a hell of a lot of work. When parents get lazy and ignore a bad behavior half the time and go ballistic the other half of the time, the kids get confused and end up learning that the behavior is only unacceptable if they get caught. (How many adults do you know that are like this?)
I would bet that the majority of the prison population right now did not have consistent discipline and supervision when growing up. As a child I may have done some crazy stuff, but nothing that would ever get me in trouble with the law or my get parents involved. That was the kiss of death as far as I knew. Many delinquents have no such fear of authority and consequnces.
These days, you see Jeremiah Wayne Higgins 17 years old on trial for murdering a convenience store clerk and raping the dead body... and there is his momma on the 6 o'clock news telling everyone that he was a good boy and somebody else put him up to it. Riiigght...
Some people think that my method of disciplining kids is mamby pamby. It is sort of, but it seems to work over the long haul. Corporal punishment is a double edged sword, it doesn't work on some kids, and on others it teaches that physical violence can elicit desired behavior from others. Usually a spanking should be the last resort for when the kid is doing something extremely stupid, dangerous and has ignored every other form of punishment. Got to save back the big guns for special occasions.
The late 60's engendered a whole bunch of new age, no boundaries, free expression crap. They purported that kids could do no wrong and everything they did was just exploration of the world and children should not be punished for supposed transgressions against our patriarchal society.
Bwahahahah!!!..... what a load of horse hemorrhoids.
My parents didn't know what they were doing because they both came from screwed up homes and emotionally bankrupt parents. My mom and dad bought the books at the check out lane at the grocery store to figure out why I was afraid of the dark and kept forgetting to flush the toilet. I guess they were at least trying to do things right.
Since I had some form of undiagnosed attention deficit I'm sure my bizarre reactions to people, pressure and day to day tasks confused and angered them. They tried everything to get me to snap out of the haze I was in. Luckily, I eventually grew out of it. The fact that they were mostly consistent in their behavior gave me peace of mind. I almost always knew what to expect from them.
Now that I have kids of my own, I can see a direct correlation between the way a child is raised and how they turn out. Children have a limited knowledge base and usually act on things based on selfishness, curiosity and a lack of experience.
When a kid does something good and acceptable, parents should give praise and show affection.
If the child does something dumb, dangerous or anti-social, they should be scolded, and given consequences based on the severity of the transgression.
For example, if your three year old bites a playmate, he should be scolded, put in the corner for a few minutes and be forced to apologize. This needs to be done each and every time until the child knows that the joys of sinking their teeth into human flesh is not tolerated and the consequences outweigh the fun.
It's a hell of a lot of work. When parents get lazy and ignore a bad behavior half the time and go ballistic the other half of the time, the kids get confused and end up learning that the behavior is only unacceptable if they get caught. (How many adults do you know that are like this?)
I would bet that the majority of the prison population right now did not have consistent discipline and supervision when growing up. As a child I may have done some crazy stuff, but nothing that would ever get me in trouble with the law or my get parents involved. That was the kiss of death as far as I knew. Many delinquents have no such fear of authority and consequnces.
These days, you see Jeremiah Wayne Higgins 17 years old on trial for murdering a convenience store clerk and raping the dead body... and there is his momma on the 6 o'clock news telling everyone that he was a good boy and somebody else put him up to it. Riiigght...
Some people think that my method of disciplining kids is mamby pamby. It is sort of, but it seems to work over the long haul. Corporal punishment is a double edged sword, it doesn't work on some kids, and on others it teaches that physical violence can elicit desired behavior from others. Usually a spanking should be the last resort for when the kid is doing something extremely stupid, dangerous and has ignored every other form of punishment. Got to save back the big guns for special occasions.
People look at the way I interact with my kids and are often perplexed. They don't know what to think. I guess these days holding people accountable for their actions is so mid 20th century... When my children are respectful, well behaved and are doing what they are supposed to do, I play with them, take them places and offer lots of praise. When they act up, cuss, lie, destroy each others stuff, write on the walls etc... I punish them, every single time. They must also explain to me exactly what they did and why it was wrong. Then usually 30 min in a chair in the corner is enough to get them to think twice. If the behavior continues, then the offending child misses the next outing, movie, party, visit to relatives etc..
My in laws think my way of disciplining the kids is inhumane. They always get pissed off and try to contradict me by bringing a special present for the child being punished. These dumb asses don't realize this sort of stupid behavior is why both of their sons are convicted felons and their youngest daughter is a psychopath and pathological liar.
Right now, my thinking is, if I don't put 100% into raising these kids they will grow up emotionally and intellectually crippled. They need to be able to go out into the world and become productive, honest and well adjusted members of society. I don't want to spend my golden years, bailing them out of jail, raising my grand kids and constantly dealing with fucked up drama. My 80 year old grandmother is still dealing with daily bullshit from her 49 year old twins. I'll have none of it thanks.
My father told me that the goal of a good parent is to have their children surpass the parents, emotionally, spiritually and financially. He was right. Nothing will make me more proud than to have my children grow up to be better than me.
32 Comments:
I should hope my daughter surpasses me; the most important thing I've ever done is my blog!
You've found the key, Hammer, consistancy is the absolute answer to great kids. Children are more happy when they know their boundaries too, otherwise the world is just spinning out of control on them every day.
Im with you 100% on this Hammer, Children need rules and crazy as it seems, like them. If my girls turn out better than me, it is more than I could wish for. Respect,respect, respect, you cannot re-iterate this enough to children to give them the basic learning skills of life..
Right on.
I know a young single lady with a daughter and all she wants to do is spoil her. She lets her get away with almost anything, I can't stand to watch her eat.
I raised my kids to be respectful and all that, then they grew up and went out in society where they are taught to spoil themselves.
And both of them have gone to hell. So society can undo even good parenting.
My daughter hasn't spoken to me since I told her to stop whining because her problems were created by her. She whined that she couldn't believe I wasn't supporting her. I replied with "I don't support stupidity."
Argh !!!
And the world continues to go to hell.
I think your approach to parenting sounds exactly right, Hammer. Your reasons are sound, and so are the premises you are basing it on. Smart of you to have seen WHY kids can go wrong based on how they were raised. A parent must be consistent. And use their brains. Clearly you are.
I think you are going to achieve your father's goal for good parenting...
Spot on.
I have a good few years on you and my three is now graduated and that was how my wife and I raised them. Responsibility for your own actions.
I posted about their graduation today.
You've got it right Hammer - 100%.
My husband always got in the way of consistency but luckily he worked a lot so the kids got enough anyway. They are now decent adults. I am very pleased with my son's parenting skills with his girlfriend's little girl. He was babysitting the other day and had made a stipulation for her. She tried to get me to over-ride it. But I said - Graeme's in charge - I can't change the rules. He was very pleased. Unfortunately, his dad is still up to his old tricks.
Hammer,
Amen Brother! I say it a different way in that children should be disciplined, balanced with love! Don't worry about what others think, you know your kids better than anybody. Be there for them and be their guide. I found that many parents treat their kids like second class citizens and thats just wrong.
Keep the faith,
Flyinfox_SATX
You seem to have your head screwed on straight. Good luck warding off the in-laws' interference-perhaps cloves of garlic would help.
Good luck with the battles against the in-laws. You're right about consistent discipline being key. I would write more, but I have a test today that I'm supposed to be studying for right now.
well, let the in-law thing go brother, otherise it will come back t bite you in the ass.
we can only do so much and it sounds as if you`ve stuck a balance as best you can.
my view to parenting is custodial.
i make sure they aren`t at risk or hungry, wet or cold.
other than that i give them the permission to say what they feel.
they have thier own battles to fight and need to know what that feels like.
and as long as they are straight with me then they know i`m thier best ally.....
I am so with you. I don't sit my son in the corner, but he starts gettings stuff taken away from him. His favorite stuff on down to nothing if he keeps it up. I told him I was only responsible for roof over his head, food on the table and clothes on his back, toys and t.v. were extra's so he better respect the privelage to have them.
I see so many parents that have kids just to have them. I think you need to be involved in everything your child does. Does it make me a bad parent to want to know exactly where's he's going, with who, and for how long?? Hell no. It makes me responsible. And screw that "this is my room stay out shit" this is my house I paid for it buddy, and I will go in your room and look around if I want.
I'm always asking people today, "Who is the parent in your house" Cuz they always complain they can't get their kid to do things. Like keep the seat belt buckled. I'm like hell no, I pull that dam car over and they WILL buckle it.
My mother may not have been the best mother in the world, but my sister and I tried to take what was good, repeat it. And try not to make the same mistakes she did, and better ourselves.
I could write more of a book on this subject with ya, but I better stop here. hehehee
Hammer, you are brilliant. I wish every parent read what you just wrote. When you have children, it isn't about "you" anymore. It is about them. People jump into having children too quickly and don't think out what they are supposed to do. Thanks for this post!
That was a great post. Consistency is very imporatant - you didn't say that, but you didn't have to. I could tell from what you wrote that it is naturally part of the child raising technique you are using.
Good for you.
Your view is right on the money annd should be common sense for most folks. Unfortunately, it isn't - you should write a book about child rearing for those idiots that just don't get it.
I recall the first time ever witnessing a fellow student back talking a teacher. The teacher told her to spit out her gum and the girl told her that she would not do it. I was appalled and shocked that anyone would back talk a teacher! I will never forget that.
Your kids will most likely grow up to be fine adults that have to deal with fucked up adults. That sucks.
Hey, could you call up my neighbours who have spawned ape-like creatures twelve times, and explain the whole punishment-for-bad-behavior-thing?
Check out what Changes y Motion has to say about a delinquent being arrested.
http://vibinghigh.diaryland.com/
Good post, Hammer.
I agree with you 100%
All the others have said all the rest... :)
The reason why kids are such fuckers in this day and age is because their parents foster in them a sense of entitlement in the form of excessive comforts. Also because they are way too inconsistent in regards to doling out punishment. If one plans on punishing their child, they need to make it swift, effective, and consistent. Otherwise punishment is an ineffective tool for shaping behavior.
You are right in that we need to use more positive reinforcement. Most people rely on negative reinforcement (which is NOT the same as punishment) in that they nag and nag until the kid does what is asked of them. Not a good idea, at least as a single method.
Of course -- I think you are giving too much to the nurture side of the debate. Many people are wired to be fuckers (not to mention psychopaths or sociopaths) and it doesn't matter how attentive their parents were. That's not to discount the value of good parenting, but when this issue has been studied, peers as well as biology have a very strong influence on matters of behavior.
LBB: Besides my kids I think the blog is #2. Jobs and posessions are kind of pointless in the grand scheme of ones life.
kat: Boundaries are tantamount. If none are in place they will push until they find one. Sometimes all the way up to murder.
Judith: respect and caring for others are the golden rules in my household. Being unkind is the one behavior I do not tolerate in any fashion.
BBC: You did your best. that's all we can do. If they aren't in jail or homeless you should pat yourself on the back.
annie: I want my kids to grow up without the same insecurities and poor self esteem I had. I think this will allow them to go far. thanks for the kind comment :)
kees: after reading about your girls you obviously did a heck of a good job.
Jeannie: I see it too. My mother in law had a strict mom and a doting permissive father. Her dad contradicted all punishments. Now my at 65 she is spoiled, narccisitic and irresponsible. I'm glad you were able to keep a hold on things. From reading your blog it seems your kids turned out great.
Janet: sometimes I don't even answer the door. They just don't listen or respect my wishes. Stubborn and stupid are a bad combination.
Brandon: thanks and good luck on your test.
Dr alistair: After you get the base behavior under control it's ok to let them be themselves. Especially as a divorced father you have to walk a fine line sometimes between parent and friend. I've been through that with my dad and it worked out fine.
By the way, I've been trying to comment on your blog for days and it keeps kicking me back to my reply with a new word verification I quit after 7 tries two days in a row.
Burfica: I hear ya. When my son was 3 I went to pick him up from day care early and he was on the playground in 35 degree cold wth no coat. when I demanded to know why. They said "he didn't want to wear it" People are frigging nuts.
I always have to know exactly where my kids are and who is going to be around.
carrie: Thanks :)I was inspired after a 45 minute battle with my 7 year old trying to get her to admit the truth about dumping a glass of water in her sisters bed and teling us her little sister peed in it. It took a long time but she finally gave up the denials and apologized.
Ryan: Consistency is a good word for it, sums everything up pretty well.
nomas: Thanks, I am appalled when I see kids defying adults. I also fear that my kids are going to be in a world full of assholes. that was a great article by the way, thanks for mentioning me :)
choochoo: Ever see the nanny 911 TV show where a professional goes in and fixes wild kids and stupid parents? I could do that for a living but I fear that people would not let me do my job.
Good luck with the ape exhibit, cattle prods work nicely ;)
Kirsten: thanks, I'm sure with you being a teacher you saw many kinds of children and behavior and the root causes.
allie: That's a good point. I'm working to stamp out that biology shit becuase my kids were adopted.
from some fucked up people.
I'm also workijg hard to control who they asscociate with while I still have control in that area.
I'm with them all day everyday except for the 6 hours they are at school. I'm lucky my son is very kind and responsible and my girls are getting there. I'm a stubborn bastard and won't tolerate any low class behavior.
You nailed it.
Amen.
Well said.
"Children were made to surpass their parents." I've heard that before but I don't remember where.
My parents were generally good about it - once I got to about twelve I managed my own behavior. I don't think I gave them too much shit, aside from the minor stuff that crops up when there's a teen in the house.
Unfortunately, I think I'll be flying blind if I decide to have kids. And I have to admit I'm genuinely scared at the thought of them surpassing me and their father in certain areas (think: high strung, foul temper, tendency to daydream too much, interest in pointy objects and everything that goes pop - and that's just me). I'm still not sure I'd be ready in five or ten years. Hell, even marriage is a long time off for me.
Any extra pointers, just so I have them on hand before I have Junior?
- ISU Tinkerer
Really great post and truly hits home in a lot of ways. As you are aware I recently went after my 14 year old daughter and succeeded in gettng full legal custody. Some similar reasons of why I had to do it listed here.
She wasn't getting the best of parenting skills before I went after her. I'll just leave it at that...
fine line between parent and friend.
whether i was divorced or not i was always the same to my guys.
thier mother plays the tyrant 24/7 now as then.
she doesn`t know any better.....
i don`t know what was going on with my blog, but intestingly enough my life has been equally chaotic lately so maybe the blog is just a mirror.
Sounds like you've got it pretty well sussed, Hammer. Seems like you've got a bit of 'extra' work to do to 'undo' the damage done before the girls were lucky enough to be yours.
I have found parenting - mostly alone, bloody hard work. My daughter has turned out pretty well through all of it - INconsistencies included ;)
For the past 4years - from 13 - I have wanted to 'give up' being a parent, often! A lot of her friend's parents DID give it up...there are a lot of lost souls out there.
No matter how 'well' you bring up your kids, their personalities will be different, they will react differently to things....other people can have a HUGE influence (peers especially at that age) and they will have 'issues' to deal with as they mature.
My advice is to KEEP monitoring who they are spending time with (like you said) - especially during teenage years. If you can lean them toward 'good' influences, you'll have a much easier time. I struggled with this.
jam: thanks. I appreciate it
ISU: Sounds like you take it more seriously than a lot of folks. I think I have another kid post around here somewhere. lemme check...
gunz: you have your work cut out for you. I have no doubt you are the right one for the job.
dr alistair: I hear ya bud. good luck with all that and I'll keep reading your blog until it starts working again. sometimes republishing it will work.
KB: So many give up, I'm glad you didn't. People don't realize it's pay now or pay later.
I'm going to be a motherfucking tyrant during my kids teenage years, following them around and shooting any hairy legged bastard that tries to take any liberties with them.
i can't read all the comments here cause i am swimming eyeball goo right now from homework action... but hey, i finished on deadline...
hmmm.... maybe it was the chair punishment for 30 minutes as a kid?
or the spankings for high crimes?
(actually, my mom was a little nutzo on the spankings, but I was also undiagnosed ADD myself... we have discussed this, it is food allergies to dye and preservatives, but i digress)
yeah, your dipshit relatives are dumasses bringing gifts for bad behavior. Is that their last name? DuMass? Maybe they want to come work with juvenile delinquents. Care to guess how many of them have relatives like that? (plenty) the inconsistancy thing is what does it. I hear the same story every time... the kids are good somewhere in there... but they are so confused as to behavior, they are just anarchistic.
And finally,
in Psychology?
They say, the first 3 years are crucial, that if you have a good first 3 years, you have a good chance of turning out OK in life.... Well hammer, we all know what kind of first 3 years the girls had, and can guess on your son, being adopted and all, so, well, i would imagine your work is TWICE as cut out for you.
Tell your DuMasses that the next time they want to bring pressies, to just bring 20 bucks for the college fund instead.
Donations gladly accepted.
your true friend,
fini
infinitesimal: Yes their name is very close to dumass. And they are
ok people but stooopid with raising kids.
The girls are a hell of a lot of work but luckily they seem to be coming around.
What an interesting post. I agree with your last statement, I would want my children to surpass me in intelligence, experiences, financially, spiritually and be better adjusted. My parents brought me up like you bring up your kids, I know this method works, so it's probably (hopefully) what I'll do.
Anyhow, your article made more sense than any other rubbish I've read/seen in newspaper and TV about how to bring up kids.
Good on YOU!!!! As much as I used to think compromise was the key.....I think I'm changing my mind...."Motherfucken tyrant" is JUST the answer....!! hahahaha =)
helene: Thank you, that is about the nicest thing anyone could say.
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