Hammer's most offensive post ever!
UPDATE the video has been pulled from google. Sorry to those who didn't get to watch it.
I saw this cartoon the other day, and I was blown away.
Holy crap! WTF!
This is from the same people that brought you Porky pig, Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny.
This was mainstream stuff 60 some odd years ago. Today it's probably considered a hate crime.
WARNING: Do not consume liquids, wear bed sheets or burn crosses while viewing this video.
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posted by Bill Rowland @ April 27, 2007
28 Comments
28 Comments:
Where was Al and JJ back then? Pretty f-ed up.
I used to watch Bugs all the time in the 70's, and in Texas, they aired MOST of them, even the questionable ones, but I had never seen that one.
It is because this was a mainstream viewpoint on African Americans that people are so hyper sensitive about it today.
I wonder if that is where Tupac's record label Murder Inc.'s name came from?
That is very messed up. If you look at alot of the old bugs bunny and what not cartoons. Alot of them have more violence than current television.
Now I never quite remember scooby doo being violent. hehehehe
Man, like Infinitesimal, I grew up watching this stuff on Saturday morning in the 60s and 70s. Ever notice the Mammy character in the Tom and Jerry cartoons. They lived in a Black womans house! This was just the pop culture of White suppremacy in those days. Helped reinforce the stereotypes of the time. Notice it's a WW2 era cartoon? Love those. Notice how Murder Inc. (old Mob term from the 20s and 30s) would kill "Japs" for free?
Someone should dig up a sample of the Black & White Minstrel Show. Now that was mainstream. That would give the PC pundits a heart attack. The funny thing is that I remember watching that show and never once did I feel that blacks were being ridiculed.
oh christ, that is completely fucked up! It's amazing how views of what is acceptable change.
I was a little earlier- in the late 50's early 60's and I still never saw this one. YOU HERETIC!!! OFF WITH HI HEAD-- Come here and give me a hug awesome post. It's amazing we can watch Slasher Movies etc and the gorier the better and not bat an eye---but now 40 years after this ws written we pick it apart and say it's mean, racist, whatever for the same thing we are fighting for in Iraq right now.
Freedom of speech. I agree that we never ever need to intentionally hurt anyone or any race (Sharpton,Jackson excluded not including tags,title or taxes.), but I'll bet this was written in the same Spirit at Saturday Night Live or Dave Chappells Show back then-for a laugh!!
That is one classic piece of film. It will be on the news within two days because of you Hammer and the number of hits YOU generated on it! Great Job!!
J
It is indeed amazing how far we've come. We've come from not even batting an eye at silly cartoons, to suing people because of their opinion. Pretty damned sad.
I'm quite sure that racism does indeed still exist; but I'm also sure that it's the exception, and not the norm. The knee-jerk race card garbage is just pathetic.
However, Snow White was "nicely drawn." Hubba hubba.
I didn't see any racism in the cartoon. I saw a perception of black culture from that era, but racism and hatred were not there.
snowmanpoop: I bet their nappy little heads would expolde if they saw this.
infini: Yeah, its amazing how attitudes can change so drasticaly in one lifetime. That cartoon did remind me of a two live crew video though.
burfica: The cartoon violence never bothered me much and now I see cartoon network deleting the falling anvils and pianos. Scooby wasn't violent at all except when scooby punched out a baddie in a gorrilla suit. (I have them all memorized )
FHB: I have a whole DVD of WWII cartoons, great stuff, check out popeye on youtube. There are some great ones with him using spinach power on the axis.
lexcen: I've listened to old radioshows like amos and andy and jack benny. People would shit a brick about those too. Remember the blackface they used to use?
m: indeed. They still showed some of this stuff when I was a kid and now seeing it through adult eyes in this day and age, I'm blown away.
John: McElveen: I think political correctnes has gone overboard too. I don't take offense at people making fun of Irish or Mexicans or anything else in my heritage. I think this country is very sensitive to black stereotypes even though rappers and comedians work hard to cash in on racist content and the "n" word. Strange.
gunny: when I saw these cartoons 30+ years ago I didn't bat an eye and even consider that the people in the cartoon were anything but silly characters. I guess the innocence is gone. You are correct Snow white was a hottie in this one.
intolerant: I guess we are afraid of our own shadows and showing perceptions of black culture like this cartoon are as bad as joining the KKK.
What brought about this shift in our society?
I was raised in a very strange combination of circumstances and cultures. I've been a target of predjudice and racism myself more than a few times and have lived in a racist household. That's why this cartoon hit me like a ton of bricks. Part of me wants to go back to the innocence of an earlier time and part of me feels some sort of guilt and embarassment.
I guess that's why I posted the video. To make people think.
It's really an extremely well done animation for the time, with lots of war references. I recall reading about this particular cartoon a while back, along with other censored ones.. I think they were called the Censored 10 or 11 or something like that. This one was voted in the top 25 best animations ever made by a group of professionals in the business. If I'm not mistaken it was also the first cartoon ever made that featured an all-star black cast for voices.
I remember those cartoons! I use to watch them as a kid and didn't think of being better than anyone else, or think badly of people of a different race. People would have an absolute cow now.
Bawahahahaha Do you have the not so reverend Jessie's e-mail? I'll send it to him just to see if you can make the MSM
I remember a lot of stuff like this in the late fifties and real early sixties. Remember Heckel and Jeckel?
Have I ever mentioned that we are all bat shit crazy?
I enjoyed that cartoon. I thought it was cute, but I don't know how a Black person would see it.
Wow! Hammer, you've read me long enough to know I'm not the thin-skinned type, but damn! All I can say is wow, and that's not wow at the contents of the cartoon. It is what is it is: like someone said, a sign of the pop culture of the times in which it was made. My wow is at the comments that suggest it was fun to watch and that there were no negative race elements in. I won't get into a historical rant. Much as "some" of the feedback on this thing bums me out, free speech is free speech. And I support everyone's right to speak their minds, whether in actual speech or the making of cartoons. Still, wow! Definitely food for thought. Thanks for posting the 'toon.
groovy: It was well made. I think people should be able to watch what they want and I don't agree with censorship. I wish our society was at a point where people can look at historical cartoons and learn something.
barista: The cartoons of this type didn't make me hate either.
guyk I don't want a fatwa issued by Mr Jackson ;)
bobg: Yeah heckle and jeckle were similar if I remember correctly.
bbc: Of course :)
little lamb: I figured there would be mixed reactions for sure. It was a well made cartoon but the stereotypes it displayed can make many folks uncomfortable or angry.
James: I wasn't sure what the responses would be and I felt I was taking a chance of alienating some folks by showing it. The cartoon like I said blew me away and made me think about how perceptions have changed.
Thanks for commenting.
Man, that put me in the mood for some Amos and Andy!
Why is the black culture being portrayed in a cartoon and exaggerated for effect considered promoting negative stereotypes? Does Foghorn Leghorn negatively portray Texans? Pepe LePew? Is that a slam of the French? It's animated diversity at its best. Get over the politics. It's Saturday morning cartoons. Want to be concerned with what children see, be concerned with MTV and BET.
I like the ones where Daffy and Bugs beat kick Hitler's and Hirohito's ass. You don't see those anymore either.
The point is that cartoons are a caricature of types of people. All of them are intended to make fun - and most are white in other cartoons and certainly not complimentary. I didn't see anything particularly insulting about any of these characters. It was the story of Snow White for pete's sake. If a stereotype is insulting, it's not really the fault of the person doing the perceiving is it?
Would anyone be upset because Natasha and whatever the other evil guy's name was (was it on Bullwinkle or Dudley Do-right?) had Russian accents? Maybe they should be banned too.
I really don't think ol' whitey should keep apologizing for what our ancestors did. They did what they did because of what they believed at the time. They thought they were right.
I'm sure our grandchildren will look back on some of the stuff we do and wonder how we could be so stupid.
mushy: I listened to amos and andy (reruns)on AM radio when I was a kid and enjoyed the hell out of it. lol I didn't even know they were supposed to be.
Intolerant: good point, I can laugh at myself and my mexican and Irish heritage,Looking back I didn't see anything negative about anyone from cartoons. This may be different for folks who have had to ride on the back of the bus or lived under segregation.
phosgene: I have a DVD full of those, they are very enjoyable.
Jeannie: Yep, pretty much everyone was a target in early cartoons. Kind of like Aesop in certain instances.
Amazing - great music though -I loved the army sequence - Coal Black was kinda sexy - the most racist was surely the shoes on the car or the Queen??
I think of the characters in Fat Albert, and they're not much better than dem dwarfs. But Bill Cosby did that so it's different, though thirty years later and after the Civil Rights struggle. Uh huh.
"My hair's coal black, but my name's Snow White" - she's not bad, she's just drawn that way. If Rosie was around then, she'd have raised an uproar over the unrealistic female body type represented. Unrealistic, but damn fine.
Wasn't this short the first time that African Americans were shown in a cartoon in U.S. military uniform?
Heheheh... I thought it was pretty damned good. I've always loved those old toons.
the video has been pulled by google but i have seen it before.
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